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#1 Everydaymatters

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 05:20 AM

My cousin and I met at CUS yesterday to get her tickets to and from the 2010 Forum Gathering in St. Louis. She has never been on a train and, being a smoker, she has concerns about being able to smoke at least once in a while.
We haven't purchased her tickets to and from KC yet, partly because of the smoking issue.
I know if the train is running late there are no smoke stops other than possibly a quick exit while new passengers are boarding.
What about on-time conditions. Do any of you know approximately how many smoke stops there are between St. Louis and Kansas City and back. That will be our longest rail segment.
Our shorter segments are between BNL and STL, so would like to know about those as well.
I'm hoping to win her over as a rail fan although she wasn't able to win me over as a Mozart fan a few years back! :ohboy:
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 06:13 AM

You can usually identify a smoking stop by looking at the Time Table for the train.
Look at locations where the table shows an arrival and departure time.
This only a hint and not a hard and fast rule.
According to my time table for the MORR, it doesn't appear to have any smoke stops.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 07:34 AM

You can usually identify a smoking stop by looking at the Time Table for the train.
Look at locations where the table shows an arrival and departure time.
This only a hint and not a hard and fast rule.
According to my time table for the MORR, it doesn't appear to have any smoke stops.

On the MORR, the stop at Jefferson City tends to last longer than the others... sometimes it is announced as a smoke stop, but not always, it all depends on how well the train is doing on time.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 09:36 AM

For non-smokers, the smoke stops can provide a wealth of entertainment, starting when the Conductor announces a very short upcoming smoke stop. When the train stops, stand back and enjoy the near panic as smokers fight to get out that door and use every second on the platform to power smoke faster than you would think physics allow a cig to burn. Add in rain or 20 below windchill for a bonus.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 12:57 PM

And Big Tobacco says smoking is not an addiction...name one other LEGAL product for which people would risk missing the train, standing outside in a -20 below blizzard, or a torrential downpour?

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 01:01 PM

My cousin and I met at CUS yesterday to get her tickets to and from the 2010 Forum Gathering in St. Louis. She has never been on a train and, being a smoker, she has concerns about being able to smoke at least once in a while.
We haven't purchased her tickets to and from KC yet, partly because of the smoking issue.
I know if the train is running late there are no smoke stops other than possibly a quick exit while new passengers are boarding.
What about on-time conditions. Do any of you know approximately how many smoke stops there are between St. Louis and Kansas City and back. That will be our longest rail segment.
Our shorter segments are between BNL and STL, so would like to know about those as well.
I'm hoping to win her over as a rail fan although she wasn't able to win me over as a Mozart fan a few years back! :ohboy:

I rode the River Runner from St. Louis to KC in March and there were no smoke stops. We were on time all the way.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 01:21 PM

From what I hear, you can smoke on the CZ. They take one of the cars and make it a smoking car. If you don't smoke, they make you sit in a different car. This is of course against amtrak policy but you the conductors change the policy as needed.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 01:47 PM

From what I hear, you can smoke on the CZ. They take one of the cars and make it a smoking car. If you don't smoke, they make you sit in a different car. This is of course against amtrak policy but you the conductors change the policy as needed.

I think you are referring to ONE specific run of the CZ that had to make a detour that ALLOWED smoking in one car because they didn't make ANY stops! On any train, there is NO SMOKING ALLOWED! (An exception is the AT, but ONLY in a special room!)
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 01:47 PM

From what I hear, you can smoke on the CZ. They take one of the cars and make it a smoking car. If you don't smoke, they make you sit in a different car. This is of course against amtrak policy but you the conductors change the policy as needed.

NOT true, the only train on which smoking is permitted is Auto Train (since there are no stops). Any conductor that allows smoking on board ought to be Fired on the spot & put off the train at the next crossing along with the smokers.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 01:51 PM

My cousin and I met at CUS yesterday to get her tickets to and from the 2010 Forum Gathering in St. Louis. ...We haven't purchased her tickets to and from KC yet

DO NOT purchase your tickets yet for the MORR. The Gathering committee may get a group rate for the MORR, but so far I haven't heard anything.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 03:38 PM

And Big Tobacco says smoking is not an addiction...name one other LEGAL product for which people would risk missing the train, standing outside in a -20 below blizzard, or a torrential downpour?


Well, there are the people who high-tail it over to the Oasis Bar in Shelby, Montana during the usually extended stop there.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 03:52 PM


My cousin and I met at CUS yesterday to get her tickets to and from the 2010 Forum Gathering in St. Louis. ...We haven't purchased her tickets to and from KC yet

DO NOT purchase your tickets yet for the MORR. The Gathering committee may get a group rate for the MORR, but so far I haven't heard anything.

Yes, that's the other reason we didn't get her MORR tickets yet. The discounts are still being worked on.

The replies have been mostly from non-smokers. I'd also like to hear from smokers even if you've never been on the subject routes, what do you do? I was smoking 3 packs a day when I quit smoking 22 years ago and I know how hard it was to go without. Do you just hop off the train at every stop, smoke as much as you can, and hop back on?

Edited by Everydaymatters, 22 July 2010 - 03:58 PM.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 10:29 PM

The replies have been mostly from non-smokers. I'd also like to hear from smokers even if you've never been on the subject routes, what do you do? I was smoking 3 packs a day when I quit smoking 22 years ago and I know how hard it was to go without. Do you just hop off the train at every stop, smoke as much as you can, and hop back on?


You get off where permitted & take nicotine gum with you. Make sure the SCA knows your cousin is looking for the smoke stops. Most are very good about letting you know in advance. Some conductors post the smoke stops in the SSL. But, of course, all stops are subject to change.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 12:59 AM

And Big Tobacco says smoking is not an addiction...name one other LEGAL product for which people would risk missing the train, standing outside in a -20 below blizzard, or a torrential downpour?

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:29 AM

I'm not a smoker, but is smokeless tobacco an option?
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 06:08 AM

I'm not a smoker, but is smokeless tobacco an option?


No.

I believe those "electric" cigarettes aren't allowed either.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 10:21 AM

I have often seen crew members smoking during stops, and many of the non smokers are right there asking questions and conversing with him or her and no one seems to mind.
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 10:27 PM

Please,please..I need some advise yesterday!!!! I have never taken a train in my 45 something years.Always wanted to. when stationed in germany bad accident on ice,my face(front teeth)walking to my car,slipped on 3'ice hit driver side window of car next to mine broke both teeth &the window,stepped back then fell & slid under car.I have had 4 major back surgerys, and just had a neurostimulator and leads put in my spine & butt,still have 22 stiches... I will NOT FLY!!!Talk about a body search (16 rods pins and screws) my friends call me "REBAR". Here's the deal... I am the EXE. of my beloved mothers estate,which a sibling has robbed blind,now I have to go to court in fay.NC or I will go to jail.....IE recent case mr. rooney.(Mirror case)STRESSOR..I gotta smoke,well on my way to non-smoker b-4 all of this,will be again!!! So please tell me,I will catch the closest train to panama city area..chipley,Jax fl. to fay,nc or raleigh nc. I don't know which train it is yet.someone tell me please,has anyone taken this route,Is there a stop?? I'm In alot of pain & refuse to take narcotics unless i fall etc. please advise if you know, have to leave next week..12th or 13th mar.What about "bar cars"?? or have I been watching too many old movies?? Do you all like rail travel,I can't wait,never done that!! 82nd.."ALL THE WAY",outta here thanks for reading the read. screamin2

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 11:38 AM

Sorry for your pain!Posted Image

There are no "bar cars" or smoking allowed anywhere on the train. You can step off and smoke at the scheduled "fresh air/smoke stops". If you look at the schedule, and see a stop with 2 times (Ex: Ar 12:30, Dp 12:40), that is a scheduled stop. There may be others as announced by the Conductor if the train is running early. (I think Jacksonville and maybe Savannah are two.)

But - THIS IS IMPORTANT - stay near the train so you can re-board when you hear the "All Aboard" call! The train will depart when the Conductor says - whether you're aboard or not!Posted Image
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Posted 05 March 2011 - 02:26 PM

momsestate/exegottasmoke, yours would make a great question for travel agents in training! :)

Since smoking is no longer allowed on any trains, period (don't know of any public passenger service exception except for the Auto Train), I'll save the attempt on smoking stop tips until it is determined where you want to go, and how. (Might smoke a couple Cowboy Killers while I'm at it, too!)

A presumption taken is that you are referring to Fayettville when you say "fay,nc" and don't really need to go to Raleigh for court.

Please,please..I need some advise yesterday!!!!

Advice earlier than yesterday would have been helpful. Chipley, FL used to be the Panama City stop for the eastern portion of the Sunset Limited until Hurricane Katrina allowed for suspension of the run between New Orleans and Jacksonville. The path of least resistance to get on a train for you now would be I10 to Jacksonville. From JAX your only direct option to FAY is the Silver Meteor(#98).

With the JAX departure scheduled for 5:33pm, be there much earlier if you desire to smoke some outside before boarding. Once #98 arrives, passengers are required to show tickets and IDs inside the station, and your last opportunity to smoke for awhile will likely be on your walk to the train.

Savannah, GA would be your next possible smoke break, scheduled to arrive 7:57pm. I have seen quick breaks allowed in Charleston, SC (9:48pm) if the stop is busy enough, but it won't be a sure thing. Be keen to listen for any announcements just before arrival there. Your next (and last) chance before the scheduled 1:10am arrival at FAY will be Florence, SC (11:35pm).

If the Meteor is way behind schedule, there's the chance no breaks would be allowed at all.
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