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#1 WhoozOn1st

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 11:12 AM

With construction commencement possibly two years out there is increased scrutiny of routing proposals for the Anaheim-Los Angeles segment of the line.

Bullet Train Plan Under Fire

"Among other things, [LACMTA chief Art] Leahy questioned designing the system to run trains every five minutes. 'That's extraordinary,' he said. And widening the corridor to add dedicated bullet train tracks could require taking out hundreds of homes in Anaheim alone, he noted. 'I mean, just crazy stuff,' he said, according to a recording of the session obtained by The Times."

"It 'isn't practical,' to start with that segment said Michael McGinley, who previously headed Metrolink's engineering department and has worked on the local high-speed rail project as a consultant. 'The first $4 billion should not be spent on that little spur. It overlaps and competes with an existing service.'"

Existing service is Metrolink commuter trains and Amtrak Pacific Surfliners.

It's only journalistic shorthand, but I grow weary of the term "bullet train." Maybe that's just cuz I've been hearing it since 1964, when it was applied to the Shinkansen HSR in Japan.

HSR tops the agenda for the April 17 NARP/RailPAC meeting at L.A. No Joe Boardman or Beech Grove this year, but last year's meeting was so interesting overall that I'm going again.

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EDIT: The Michael McGinley quoted in the Times article is scheduled to address NARP/RailPAC.

Edited by WhoozOn1st, 05 April 2010 - 04:19 PM.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 12:52 PM

Five minute frequency seems pretty outlandish to me. I'd say start with hourly.

I think there is some merit in not making ANA-LAX truly high speed first.
This section beats car traffic most of the time.

SF-LAX is what needs to be done first.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 03:35 PM

Five minute frequency seems pretty outlandish to me. I'd say start with hourly.

I think there is some merit in not making ANA-LAX truly high speed first.
This section beats car traffic most of the time.

SF-LAX is what needs to be done first.

If this was a highway project or a project in Asia, they'd simply build an elevated pair of high speed lines (or lanes) right atop the existing railroad ROW and be done with it. But since this is the US of A, we will first spend 6 years arguing about what should be built or not. Then if some money remains something half assed will get built, which will be neither fish nor fowl. Sigh....

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 04:25 PM

Five minute frequency seems pretty outlandish to me. I'd say start with hourly.

I think there is some merit in not making ANA-LAX truly high speed first.
This section beats car traffic most of the time.

SF-LAX is what needs to be done first.


The bond issue requires planning for this as a hedge against future capacity bottlenecks.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 06:05 AM

A few comments from an insider that needs to remain anonymous:

1. "Taking out hundreds of homes" is completely bogus. There are probably not 100 homes in total near the line. Housing takes will approach zero.

2. The "five minute train frequency" is a design standard for operating capacity, not the proposed train frequency. That will be less and will be based on actual demand.

3. Michael McGinley is not an unbiased commentator. The decision to put this segment first is both funding and politic related.

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 06:58 AM

Heard this on NPR this AM, it'd be nice if the Chinese invested some more in Cali, get some of our money "back".

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 09:08 PM

I'm worried the California legislature might require the whole thing to be solar powered.

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 09:47 PM

Well depending on how technical you want to get, coal is very loose solar power. The plants and other things that have been compacted over thousands of years had to use solar energy to become coal. Anyone with me? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

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Posted 30 April 2010 - 10:40 AM

Tough words on bullet-train plan

"[California State] Auditor Elaine Howle reported that the authority overseeing the rail system could very likely fall billions of dollars short of what it needs to complete the project, even though California voters approved borrowing billions of dollars to help pay for it."
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Posted 30 April 2010 - 09:55 PM

Tough words on bullet-train plan

"[California State] Auditor Elaine Howle reported that the authority overseeing the rail system could very likely fall billions of dollars short of what it needs to complete the project, even though California voters approved borrowing billions of dollars to help pay for it."

Read the report. http://www.bsa.ca.go...ummary/2009-106
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Posted 30 April 2010 - 10:05 PM

The longer they wait to build, the more it's gonna cost.

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Posted 30 April 2010 - 11:13 PM

You know, when this country was founded, people actually do things. Now they sit around and talk about how they are going to do things.

Or... to quote Dave Barry roughly:

"President Madison started the policy for the U.S. to "get tough" when it came to world events. This was replaced in the 1970s with the U.S. policy of calling a press conference and threatening to "get tough"."

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Posted 07 May 2010 - 10:39 AM

Anybody wanna guess where the equipment will come from?

New chief chosen for high-speed rail project

"A senior private-sector executive with extensive international rail construction experience was named Thursday to lead California's $43-billion high-speed rail project from the drawing board toward the start of construction.

"Roelof van Ark, 58, president of Alstom Transportation Inc., a subsidiary of a French-based conglomerate, was unanimously approved as the new chief executive of the California High-Speed Rail Authority at an agency board meeting in Sacramento."
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Posted 09 May 2010 - 11:12 PM

Unquestionably, Talgo. I mean clearly they wouldn't chose Alstom... would they? :D

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 10:10 AM

High speed hi-jinks from the governator. He wants an HSR demonstration - by November - on the L.A.-San Diego corridor. Piece O' cake!

Fast track for high-speed rail is sought

"Skeptics of the idea say the project might not demonstrate high-speed rail's capabilities and is too ambitious to do in five months, especially if extensive improvements turn out to be needed to accommodate the train.

"'This will not be high-speed rail,' said Jim Mills, a former state senator who helped create commuter rail service between San Diego and Los Angeles. 'The difference in the running time compared to conventional equipment might only be a few minutes. And, if one of these lighter European designs derails or hits a gravel truck on the tracks, it will be a catastrophe.'

"Others pointedly questioned the governor's motivation beyond his long-time support for high-speed rail.

"'What hit me first about this was the desperation of having a ribbon-cutting shortly before the governor leaves,' said Rich Tolmach of the California Rail Foundation. 'They've realized there's no legacy for the governor.'"
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 12:17 PM

Is this a chance to announce that "I'm Back!!!" as he returns to the movies since he has no future in politics! Maybe he can make a train movie! ;)

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 03:39 AM

High speed hi-jinks from the governator. He wants an HSR demonstration - by November - on the L.A.-San Diego corridor. Piece O' cake!

["'This will not be high-speed rail,' said Jim Mills, a former state senator who helped create commuter rail service between San Diego and Los Angeles. 'The difference in the running time compared to conventional equipment might only be a few minutes. And, if one of these lighter European designs derails or hits a gravel truck on the tracks, it will be a catastrophe.'

Surely no one could be this stupid.

OK, he is a politician, so it is possible, with apologies to Jim Mills who is absolutely correct. There are quite a few other things that make this essentially impossible.

1. No way will the FRA allow this to happen. No high speed trainset in the world meets the US crashworthiness requirements for operating on a track with road crossings, even assuming that the freight trains will all be stopped when this thing is operating. If they continue to run, that also is a NO NO per FRA.

2. All, so far as I know, high speed trainsets run off electricity. The overhead wire to carry such is absent from the San Diego line.

3. Track class will not permit anything plus 110, maybe even plus 90.

4. To many curves to get any reasonable improvement in run time.

There are certainly more, but numbers 1 and 2 will make certain that this run will not happen.

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 08:32 AM

Just plain nuts...

Bill to compel firms to admit Holocaust role advances

"Essentially targeting a French rail operator, a key state Senate committee Tuesday advanced legislation that would require companies interested in working on the California high-speed train project to admit whether they transported people to concentration camps during World War II."
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Posted 30 June 2010 - 08:36 AM

Yup, that kinda takes the cake.

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 11:02 AM

:o WOW! I agree, this is PC run amok! :wacko: And it proves that not only rightwing nuts are mobbing up for witch hunts! Hope the Terminator terminates this one if it reaches his desk!(Dont know if the rich witch or Gov. Moonbeam would sign this one, kill it while you can (so to speak!) :help:

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