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#41 TVRM610

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 03:02 PM

VERY pleased with Obama's remarks on the trains.

"Eventually, the Southeast Corridor is expected to use Atlanta as a regional hub, with connections from Atlanta east to Charlotte, south to Macon and Jacksonville, north to Chattanooga, and west to Birmingham."

Woo!!!

And yet Georgia's only getting $750,000 for "studies." Here's a cazy idea, build the hub infrastructure and a connecting line first THEN go and build more.


Here's another idea... you have to study things before you build them.
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 09:18 PM

VERY pleased with Obama's remarks on the trains.

"Eventually, the Southeast Corridor is expected to use Atlanta as a regional hub, with connections from Atlanta east to Charlotte, south to Macon and Jacksonville, north to Chattanooga, and west to Birmingham."

Woo!!!

And yet Georgia's only getting $750,000 for "studies." Here's a cazy idea, build the hub infrastructure and a connecting line first THEN go and build more.


Here's another idea... you have to study things before you build them.


So from $8B only Florida and California ($3.5) are some kind of HSR projects, the rest $4.5 will go for regular train improvements, am I right that this is inappropriate allocation?
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 09:38 PM

So from $8B only Florida and California ($3.5) are some kind of HSR projects, the rest $4.5 will go for regular train improvements, am I right that this is inappropriate allocation?



According to them, and to how "Incrementally increased speed rail service" is defined, the regular train improvements are appropriate. Several of the members here, including myself, are in parts of the nation where we have only one departure per day, and it is at a 79 mph level. Madison, WI, has not had regular rail service since 1971, and, with this appropriation, we will finally get service. To me, that is appropriate.
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 10:31 PM

Is this money going to shovel-ready projects, or is it going to states that Pres. Obama thinks he'll most need to get re-elected in '12?


I sincerely doubt that Obama is stupid enough to think he will be elected or not based upon the promise of systems that may or may not get built before the funding plug is pulled.

Truth be told, though, I think most of the projects awarded are reasonable. Only the Florida and California systems are pie-in-the-sky in nature. California, though, has put so much money into building a state-wide rail system that I tend to believe that the CHSR will become a reality. The proof is in the putting, and California has put a lot of trains on the road.

Florida, though... If it wasn't such a short system, I'd be positive it's just a dream. But even the idiots in Florida can probably lay down 86 miles of straight track over flat terrain. Of course, the fun part is they'll have their HSR... but no Amtrak service.
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Posted 29 January 2010 - 03:52 PM

Is this money going to shovel-ready projects, or is it going to states that Pres. Obama thinks he'll most need to get re-elected in '12?


I sincerely doubt that Obama is stupid enough to think he will be elected or not based upon the promise of systems that may or may not get built before the funding plug is pulled.

Truth be told, though, I think most of the projects awarded are reasonable. Only the Florida and California systems are pie-in-the-sky in nature. California, though, has put so much money into building a state-wide rail system that I tend to believe that the CHSR will become a reality. The proof is in the putting, and California has put a lot of trains on the road.

Florida, though... If it wasn't such a short system, I'd be positive it's just a dream. But even the idiots in Florida can probably lay down 86 miles of straight track over flat terrain. Of course, the fun part is they'll have their HSR... but no Amtrak service.


"Idiots in Florida"???? gee, thanks

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 04:56 PM

So from $8B only Florida and California ($3.5) are some kind of HSR projects, the rest $4.5 will go for regular train improvements, am I right that this is inappropriate allocation?


You have to learn how to walk before you can run. Most of these allocations will help get things ready for future upgrades.
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Posted 29 January 2010 - 06:40 PM

So from $8B only Florida and California ($3.5) are some kind of HSR projects, the rest $4.5 will go for regular train improvements, am I right that this is inappropriate allocation?


You have to learn how to walk before you can run. Most of these allocations will help get things ready for future upgrades.

I agree. This is a good start to revitalizing passenger rail. It spreads the money around and gives a taste of better rail service to a variety of places. Money well spent if you ask me.

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 06:44 PM

Surely $1.1 billion for Chicago - St Louis should go a long way, no? I wonder how long it'll be before we can ride 110 mph trains on that route.

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 07:45 PM

Is this money going to shovel-ready projects, or is it going to states that Pres. Obama thinks he'll most need to get re-elected in '12?


. But even the idiots in Florida can probably lay down 86 miles of straight track over flat terrain. Of course, the fun part is they'll have their HSR... but no Amtrak service.


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Posted 29 January 2010 - 08:07 PM

Surely $1.1 billion for Chicago - St Louis should go a long way, no? I wonder how long it'll be before we can ride 110 mph trains on that route.


Oh yes... the money is going to good projects. The argument some people have seems to be what money is going to what they call "legitimate high speed rail" which is generally considered to be 150 or faster.

However, I have seen what a 110mph corridor can look like and how it can run (the Keystone Corridor) and I think this is the answer. You don't have to run trains at 150 or faster to have a great usable corridor. Chicago to St. Louis is a GREAT place for a 110mph corridor and I think all of this funding will be a great start to more passenger rail corridors in the USA.
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