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#21 afigg

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 10:02 PM

It's curious how the California section of that map includes the coastal route as well as the HSR plan that we voted for.

And Vegas is on there, very cool.

I see that, a very straight line from LA to Vegas. I couldn't enlarge the map, so it's hard to tell what towns and cities that impacts.

The official HSR route map put out by the Transportation department does not reflect the planned route of the California HSR system and the rough outline of the Texas T-bone. Take it as a idea map where the HSR corridors of the US are, not as a map that bears much resemblance to the reality where the HSR tracks might go. The California HSR plan route map can be found at http://www.cahighspe....ca.gov/map.htm. While there is a privately funded plan to build a corridor train from Victorville, CA to Las Vegas, a Victorville end point with no train connection to LA is a questionable business plan. If the CA HSR system gets built according to their map, a obvious extension to the CA HSR system would be to build a line from Palmdale to Las Vegas. Imagine people being able to get on a 220 mph train in LA and taking a direct train to Las Vegas so they can lose their money in the casinos even sooner. :ph34r:

But a HSR line to Las Vegas is not going to be started with the current round of HSR funds. The main parts of the CA HSR system have to be funded and built first.

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 10:13 PM

St. Louis Post-Dispatch just posted an article with numbers. Is this the real deal?

California is one of the big winners, receiving $2.25 billion to help build a high-speed rail system, as well as additional money for other rail projects.

The grants include $1.1 billion for a Chicago-to-St. Louis corridor, $1.25 billion for a Tampa-to-Orlando, Fla., corridor, $244 million for a Chicago-to-Detroit corridor and $810 million for work between Madison, Wis., and Milwaukee. In Ohio, $400 million will pay for work between Cleveland and Cincinnati.

Washington and North Carolina are getting roughly half a billion dollars each, and Florida will hear its good news directly from Obama and Vice President Joe Biden on Thursday.



http://www.stltoday....3F?OpenDocument

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 10:15 PM

St. Louis Post-Dispatch just posted an article with numbers. Is this the real deal?

California is one of the big winners, receiving $2.25 billion to help build a high-speed rail system, as well as additional money for other rail projects.



http://www.stltoday....3F?OpenDocument

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 10:19 PM

Any idea where we can find this information after the speech is done?

Many of the details will likely be made available to the news media overnight or by early morning before the President makes the announcement in Florida. Then a official press release will be posted, but just how detailed the initial press information will be on which projects and states get funding remains to be seen.

But don't expect too much funding of the $8 billion to go to the NEC itself. The NEC Master Plan has to be finished and published first.

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 10:28 PM

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 11:42 PM

The details about who gets how much is being posted 1 state or corridor project at a time at http://www.whitehous...ts-and-releases.

So far:
Iowa get $17 million
Cleveland - Columbus - Dayton - Cincinnati corridor gets $400 million
VA and NC combined for the Charlotte - Raleigh - Richmond - Washington, D.C. gets $620 million
CA gets $2,344 million not just for HSR, but some funding for the Surfliner and Capital Corridor routes.
Minneapolis/St. Paul - Madison - Milwaukee - Chicago corridor gets $823 million total
Chicago - St. Louis - Kansas City corridor gets $1,333 million.
Texas Ft. Worth Area gets $4 million for signal timing improvements at grade crossing for the Texas Eagle. They must have figured they had to throw something to TX.

Adds:
Eugene - Portland - Seattle - Vancouver, BC corridor gets $598 million. Will add 2 additional daily round trips between Seattle and Portland, reduce travel time by at least 5% (odd way to put it). Wouldn't they have to buy at least 1 more Talgo set to add 2 additional daily trips? Hey, call WI to tag on to the Talgo order...

Edited by afigg, 28 January 2010 - 12:03 AM.


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Posted 27 January 2010 - 11:46 PM

Haha, whoops.

Anyway, it's good news but there is still a lot more funding that needs to be secured. $8 billion is only a slice in the grand scheme of things.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 12:06 AM

It's curious how the California section of that map includes the coastal route as well as the HSR plan that we voted for.

And Vegas is on there, very cool.

I see that, a very straight line from LA to Vegas. I couldn't enlarge the map, so it's hard to tell what towns and cities that impacts.

The official HSR route map put out by the Transportation department does not reflect the planned route of the California HSR system and the rough outline of the Texas T-bone. Take it as a idea map where the HSR corridors of the US are, not as a map that bears much resemblance to the reality where the HSR tracks might go. The California HSR plan route map can be found at http://www.cahighspe....ca.gov/map.htm. While there is a privately funded plan to build a corridor train from Victorville, CA to Las Vegas, a Victorville end point with no train connection to LA is a questionable business plan. If the CA HSR system gets built according to their map, a obvious extension to the CA HSR system would be to build a line from Palmdale to Las Vegas. Imagine people being able to get on a 220 mph train in LA and taking a direct train to Las Vegas so they can lose their money in the casinos even sooner. :ph34r:

But a HSR line to Las Vegas is not going to be started with the current round of HSR funds. The main parts of the CA HSR system have to be funded and built first.

Yes, and I really wonder if the same city fathers that designed some of the roadwork around Victorville were involved with that HSR plan. From VV to Las Vegas, say what? I still don't follow the logic. :huh:

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 01:04 AM

Ok, 3 more press releases have been posted.

Pontiac-Detroit-Chicago gets $244 million
Tampa - Orlando gets $1,250 million

The Northeast region gets lumped together with $485 million from the HSR fund, $706 million from Amtrak ARRA grants (which I think was allocated some time ago). See http://www.whitehous...ogram-northeast.
There is not a breakout of the funding, but:
Maine gets funding to extend the Downeaster to Brunswick and reduce travel time between Portland and Boston by 17%
Vermont get funding to extend the Ethan Allen to Burlington, VT
Vermont and MA get the funding to re-route the Vermonter to the Knowledge corridor.
PA gets little, just funding to close the 3 remaining grade crossings on the Keystone East and a study for HSR to Pittsburgh.
NYC-Albany-Buffalo gets 7 projects funded to improve on-time performance.

I think the corridors that are directly tied to the NEC did not get much because they are waiting on the NEC Master Plan and however much funding Congress eventually authorizes to get the NEC in good shape.

If I add $485 million for the Northeast region to all the others announced so far, I get $8,123 million. So either there is some overlap funding here or they are dipping into the $2.5 billion HSR funds for FY10. Or engaging in some fudging of the numbers.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 03:16 AM

VERY pleased with Obama's remarks on the trains.

"Eventually, the Southeast Corridor is expected to use Atlanta as a regional hub, with connections from Atlanta east to Charlotte, south to Macon and Jacksonville, north to Chattanooga, and west to Birmingham."

Woo!!!

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 07:06 AM

Here are my guesses....

1 - Florida for Orlando to Tampa Corridor.
2- NEC NYP-WAS
3- NEC NYP-BOS
4- California Project
5- Nevada for Las Vegas to LA/Anaheim.
6- IL for CHI-St.Louis Corridor
7- WI for CHI-Milwalkee Corridor
8- MO for St. Louis-Kansas City Corridor
9- VA for Regionals
10- PA for Keystone Improvement/Expansion
11- NC (not sure where)
12- WA for Cascades
13- This one is up in the air... couldn't decide.

Thought it was fun to guess....


The Kansas City Star's "PrimeBuzz" political blog is reporting that Missouri and Illinois will both be receiving funding, but not at the levels requested. Senator Kit Bond confirmed that Missouri will be reciving funds, but would not provide additional details.
http://primebuzz.kcs...m/?q=node/21153

Kit Bonds response was interesting. It will be interesting to see what part of $200 Missouri gets.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 09:23 AM

here is a good review of all the money
High speed rail grants
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 09:39 AM

Rather than concentrate the money on two or three big projects, the administration is spreading this money around, which isn't a bad thing.
Here in the Midwest, the Chicago-St. Louis corridor will get some big bucks to push service up to the 110 mph mark (not world class speed, but a lot better than anything else around here), Wisconsin gets money to extend service to Madison, Michigan gets money to upgrade the Detroit-Chicago corridor, Indiana gets money to build a passenger bypass around the Norfolk Southern roadblock, and Illinois also gets money to eliminate the at-grade crossing of Amtrak/Norfolk Southern with Metra Rock Island at Englewood. These last two projects will also benefit the eastern long-distance trains, giving them a faster, better entrance into Chicago.
In a perfect world, we'd be building new super high speed lines, but this is the best news for passenger rail in a long, long time.
I noticed that Vermont will get money to upgrade service to Burlington, and that should please a number of posters on this site, not exactly high speed, but it should serve to improve and expand service in a state that has been supportive of passenger rail.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 09:54 AM

Wow, this is some really great stuff. Even though Texas is only getting $4 million. We're just a little behind, but just you wait. We'll be having some descent train service in no time. Both republican candidates for governor support expanded rail in Texas.

I just love reading some of the comments in some of the newpaper articles. One side, "oh geeze, more of my tax money going to trains nobody's going to ride," to "what? we're spending billions of dollars and the train are only going to go 100 mph?!"

Obviously, I can see lots of misconceptions running rampant over the next few weeks, from both sides of the isle.
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 10:35 AM

I noticed that Vermont will get money to upgrade service to Burlington, and that should please a number of posters on this site, not exactly high speed, but it should serve to improve and expand service in a state that has been supportive of passenger rail.


Well, we didn't get the money to upgrade the line to Burlington, but we did get the money to improve the Vermonter line, which runs to Essex Jct (about 8 miles away from Burlington). This will result in a dramatically improved trip time on the Vermonter line. I'm going to be posting more about it later, when I'm out of work, but I think that this will be a fantastic thing if implemented right. Provided the the arrival times in Vermont are kept the same or later, and the departure times are kept the same or earlier, I expect to see explosive growth in the ridership of the Vermonter. The primary problem with the Vermonter is that if you want to take it anywhere, you basically loose the whole day. As long as the outbound trip is early enough in the morning and the return trip is late enough in the evening, with the new improvements one will be able to spend the majority of the day somewhere before/after their train trip. My only worry is that they'll move both times towards the middle of the day, in which case you'll still have to spend the bulk of the day on the train. But if the times are structured like the Ethan Allen is right now, this is going to be fantastic, and also completed much sooner than the Ethan Allen extension would be.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 11:52 AM

Various pointers to the White House and Sec DOT provided materials on this subject can be found in this thread.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 12:23 PM

VERY pleased with Obama's remarks on the trains.

"Eventually, the Southeast Corridor is expected to use Atlanta as a regional hub, with connections from Atlanta east to Charlotte, south to Macon and Jacksonville, north to Chattanooga, and west to Birmingham."

Woo!!!

And yet Georgia's only getting $750,000 for "studies." Here's a cazy idea, build the hub infrastructure and a connecting line first THEN go and build more.
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 01:22 PM

Didn't notice the Richmond to Hampton Roads run in there anywhere. Or does that money come from a different pot?

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 02:43 PM

Is this money going to shovel-ready projects, or is it going to states that Pres. Obama thinks he'll most need to get re-elected in '12?

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 02:46 PM

Is this money going to shovel-ready projects, or is it going to states that Pres. Obama thinks he'll most need to get re-elected in '12?

Probably both.




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