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Posted 25 June 2009 - 04:49 PM

I'm wondering if anyone knows what the difference is between a 28 Empire Builder and an 8 Empire Builder. When looking at fares from Montana to Minnesota, these were the two options. And the 28 Empire is about double the price! Thanks.

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 04:57 PM

I'm wondering if anyone knows what the difference is between a 28 Empire Builder and an 8 Empire Builder. When looking at fares from Montana to Minnesota, these were the two options. And the 28 Empire is about double the price! Thanks.



The Nos. 8 and 28 Empire Builder, from Spokane eastward, are one and the same train. The Empire Builder, going east, begins as separate trains in Seattle and Portland. In Spokane, the two sections are joined to make one train. 8 actually refers to the Seattle section, 28 the Portland section. When they are joined in Spokane, the train becomes 8/28, to be technical.

Edited by JayPea, 25 June 2009 - 04:57 PM.

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 05:00 PM

So if I wanted to leave from Montana to get to Minnesota, would I buy a ticket for 28 Empire or 8 Empire?

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 05:04 PM

In that case, the #8, since it's half the price!

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 05:08 PM

In that case, the #8, since it's half the price!



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Posted 25 June 2009 - 05:14 PM

I'm wondering if anyone knows what the difference is between a 28 Empire Builder and an 8 Empire Builder. When looking at fares from Montana to Minnesota, these were the two options. And the 28 Empire is about double the price! Thanks.



That's why!!!! :lol:

Edited by JayPea, 25 June 2009 - 05:14 PM.

Amtrak Routes Traveled: City of New Orleans, State House/Lincoln Service, Empire Builder, California Zephyr, Southwest Chief, Cascades, Crescent, Capitol Limited, Coast Starlight, Texas Eagle/Sunset Limited, Silver Meteor, Lake Shore Limited
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Posted 25 June 2009 - 06:02 PM

If two "trains" go the same place at the same time, then choose the cheaper! Can't really go wrong there :P
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Posted 25 June 2009 - 06:03 PM

So if I wanted to leave from Montana to get to Minnesota, would I buy a ticket for 28 Empire or 8 Empire?


As said above, its the same train. So unless you want to pay more, get the cheaper one. There's no difference.

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 06:15 PM

Support Amtrak - buy the most expensive one ;)

In St Louis the Texas Eagle can be 22,322 or 422 depending were it originated - I just buy the cheapest. Gee I don't take my own advice.

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 07:38 PM

It is simple supply and demand.

Train 8 runs with three sleepers and train 28 only with one. This means that rooms in 28 sell out long before rooms in train 8 sell out-- it leads to higher prices due to the bucket system (which I and others could explain) but in the end, just think of it as supply and demand.

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 07:53 PM

If you want to spend more, chose the "train" that has the lowest fare, and then send me the difference between that fare and the higher fare! :D

Seriously, since there is only one (complete) train, car #5 departs @ 3:37 and arrives @ 12:52, and car #7 departs @ 3:37 and arrives @ 12:52 also! ;) Chose the "train" with the lowest fare!
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Posted 25 June 2009 - 08:04 PM

If you want to walk on train 28, then book a room at 28, then walk to the back until you see a Sightseer Lounge-- welcome to train 28!

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 08:22 PM

If you want to walk on train 28, then book a room at 28, then walk to the back until you see a Sightseer Lounge-- welcome to train 28!

I think you meant "Book a room on 8"! :D If you booked a room on 28 and walked back, it's a long walk - and a long fall! :lol: Car #2830 is the only PDX sleeper - and is the last car of the train!
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Posted 25 June 2009 - 08:26 PM

If you want to walk on train 28, then book a room at 28, then walk to the back until you see a Sightseer Lounge-- welcome to train 28!

I think you meant "Book a room on 8"! :D If you booked a room on 28 and walked back, it's a long walk - and a long fall! :lol: Car #2830 is the only PDX sleeper - and is the last car of the train!


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Posted 25 June 2009 - 08:59 PM

If you want to walk on train 28, then book a room at 28, then walk to the back until you see a Sightseer Lounge-- welcome to train 28!

I think you meant "Book a room on 8"! :D If you booked a room on 28 and walked back, it's a long walk - and a long fall! :lol: Car #2830 is the only PDX sleeper - and is the last car of the train!


until MSP, correct?

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 09:41 PM

If you want to walk on train 28, then book a room at 28, then walk to the back until you see a Sightseer Lounge-- welcome to train 28!

I think you meant "Book a room on 8"! :D If you booked a room on 28 and walked back, it's a long walk - and a long fall! :lol: Car #2830 is the only PDX sleeper - and is the last car of the train!


until MSP, correct?


Some days. The St. Paul-Chicago coach isn't on the train every day, and of course some days there are private cars behind it.

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 10:11 PM

I'm wondering if anyone knows what the difference is between a 28 Empire Builder and an 8 Empire Builder. When looking at fares from Montana to Minnesota, these were the two options. And the 28 Empire is about double the price! Thanks.


The only time that it matters other than price whether you book on the Seattle or Portland portions of the Empire Builder is westbound, and then only if you are traveling west of Spokane. If you want Wenatchee, Everett, Edomds or Seattle, you want 7. If You want Pasco, Vancouver or Portland you want 27.
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Posted 25 June 2009 - 10:14 PM

I'm wondering if anyone knows what the difference is between a 28 Empire Builder and an 8 Empire Builder. When looking at fares from Montana to Minnesota, these were the two options. And the 28 Empire is about double the price! Thanks.


The only time that it matters other than price whether you book on the Seattle or Portland portions of the Empire Builder is westbound, and then only if you are traveling west of Spokane. If you want Wenatchee, Everett, Edomds or Seattle, you want 7. If You want Pasco, Vancouver or Portland you want 27.


While you are right that it doesn't matter as long as your are traveling between SPK and CHI, it DOES matter whether your book 7/27 or 8/28 if you aren't. Eastbound or Westbound, just like the LSL, the sleepers are almost always in different buckets and it almost always favors 7/8.

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Posted 26 June 2009 - 12:03 AM

I'm wondering if anyone knows what the difference is between a 28 Empire Builder and an 8 Empire Builder. When looking at fares from Montana to Minnesota, these were the two options. And the 28 Empire is about double the price! Thanks.


The only time that it matters other than price whether you book on the Seattle or Portland portions of the Empire Builder is westbound, and then only if you are traveling west of Spokane. If you want Wenatchee, Everett, Edomds or Seattle, you want 7. If You want Pasco, Vancouver or Portland you want 27.


While you are right that it doesn't matter as long as your are traveling between SPK and CHI, it DOES matter whether your book 7/27 or 8/28 if you aren't. Eastbound or Westbound, just like the LSL, the sleepers are almost always in different buckets and it almost always favors 7/8.


That's why I said "other than price", which is the question of pricing buckets....
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 12:15 AM

I'm wondering if anyone knows what the difference is between a 28 Empire Builder and an 8 Empire Builder. When looking at fares from Montana to Minnesota, these were the two options. And the 28 Empire is about double the price! Thanks.


The only time that it matters other than price whether you book on the Seattle or Portland portions of the Empire Builder is westbound, and then only if you are traveling west of Spokane. If you want Wenatchee, Everett, Edomds or Seattle, you want 7. If You want Pasco, Vancouver or Portland you want 27.


While you are right that it doesn't matter as long as your are traveling between SPK and CHI, it DOES matter whether your book 7/27 or 8/28 if you aren't. Eastbound or Westbound, just like the LSL, the sleepers are almost always in different buckets and it almost always favors 7/8.


That's why I said "other than price", which is the question of pricing buckets....


Even then you're still not considering Cascade service. You can get a BC seat on the Cascades between SEA/PDX for under $40, and the difference between rooms on 7/8/27/28 could be hundreds!

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