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#21 bratkinson

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:05 PM

Even though the gate appears narrow, and I didn't scrutinize it as I went through the turnstile, I think it should fit most luggage, sideways, if need be.  As for wheel chairs, having several friends in wheelchairs these days, even an 'extra large' wheelchair, they're all collapsible, so they should be able to fit through the 'narrows'.  But then, getting a person that is wheelchair bound up about 40 steps is a whole 'nother issue...

 

Would a double-wide baby stroller fit?  How about a triple?  But then, how many parents with under-3 kids would even attempt those stairs?



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Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:09 PM

I agree that it is quite a hike from Midway to the Orange Line. We used it In December going into the city, but on the return trip arrived via Uber, which frankly was more pleasant.


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 06:01 AM

For future information, I just got an email back from the CTA stating that the new elevators along with wider turnstiles will be opened by the end of June. Also, my bag is about 2 1/2' tall, 2' wide, and 1 1/2' long.
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Posted 15 March 2018 - 11:07 AM

The walk between the terminals at Midway and the Orange Line is so long and laborious that I cannot help but think one or more taxi/shuttle/limo/parking/paving related companies/associations must have bribed someone to create such a tedious weather exposed mess out of it. If that's not the case then it's even more embarrassing to think this was the best they could manage.  I tend to balk at people who complain about the relatively short walk/ride between SAC and the train platforms, but in my view MDW's poorly implemented Orange Line connection is well deserving of criticism and derision. 

The Orange Line was always intended to terminate not at Midway but a couple miles south at Ford City shopping center. Ford City isn't what it was back in the late '80s when the Orange Line was planned, but the CTA still has plans for a Ford City extension if they ever get funding. 

 

The Orange Line was thus designed and built to serve Midway using an existing railroad right-of-way and then continue south in the same right-of-way to Ford City. Much of the Orange Line was similarly built on railroad right-of-way.



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Posted 15 March 2018 - 11:38 AM

The Seattle airport has a similarly long walk from the Link light rail stop through a parking garage, which I find long and annoying, but the line now extended one stop South to Angle Lake it make sense, to not make the airport a stub-end terminal. BARTs SFO Airport Station is one Ill never understand since you have to transfer to their Airtrain to get to most of the terminals anyway.
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Posted 15 March 2018 - 12:38 PM

The Seattle airport has a similarly long walk from the Link light rail stop through a parking garage, which I find long and annoying, but the line now extended one stop South to Angle Lake it make sense, to not make the airport a stub-end terminal. BARTs SFO Airport Station is one Ill never understand since you have to transfer to their Airtrain to get to most of the terminals anyway.

I was waiting for someone to mention Seattle. I just did that walk from the terminal to the Link station about 2 weeks ago.


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 12:42 PM

At SFO it was either going to be the automatic people mover or a bunch of long travelator, since there is no way that BART was going to visit every terminal.

 

Seatac could consider putting in a travelator at least through the parking garage.

 

If you have ever done the walk at London Heathrow from various terminals to the corresponding Tube Station or even the Heathrow Express station, or at FRA to even the people mover connecting the various terminal concourses, you would probably not be super distressed with the walk in Seatac.


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 01:06 PM

 

The walk between the terminals at Midway and the Orange Line is so long and laborious that I cannot help but think one or more taxi/shuttle/limo/parking/paving related companies/associations must have bribed someone to create such a tedious weather exposed mess out of it. If that's not the case then it's even more embarrassing to think this was the best they could manage. I tend to balk at people who complain about the relatively short walk/ride between SAC and the train platforms, but in my view MDW's poorly implemented Orange Line connection is well deserving of criticism and derision.


The Orange Line was always intended to terminate not at Midway but a couple miles south at Ford City shopping center. Ford City isn't what it was back in the late '80s when the Orange Line was planned, but the CTA still has plans for a Ford City extension if they ever get funding. The Orange Line was thus designed and built to serve Midway using an existing railroad right-of-way and then continue south in the same right-of-way to Ford City. Much of the Orange Line was similarly built on railroad right-of-way.

 


As Jis already alluded it's fairly rare for a conventional heavy metro line to reach deep into the terminal areas of a major airport. It's much more common for enclosed heated/cooled walkways with travelators and/or automated people movers to connect passengers between their terminal and the nearest metro station. That would honestly be enough for me. The connection between MDW and CTA has improved over time but it still has a long way to go before it's as quick and practical as it should be for a major airport servicing a massive metro. Hopefully they'll eventually get that rectified.


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 01:12 PM

My father was much more knowledgeable about politics than I am, and also had a small bit to do with the planning of BART (we lived in the Bay Area 1965-1967).  He led me to believe that there was a conspiracy by the taxi companies to keep transit out of airport terminals.

 

For example, at SeaTac, why didn't the light rail go above (or even below) the roadways in front of the terminal?  Why on the far side of the parking garage?


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 02:05 PM

At SFO Ill never understand why they didnt just build
The Airtrain to Milbrae so Caltrain riders could also get a one transfer ride, today Caltrain riders have a 3 transfer ride (during weekdays).
1. At Milbrae board a RIC red line train, ride one stop
2. At San Bruno transfer to an SFO Airport Train, ride one stop
3. Get off at SFO Airport and take the Airtrain to your terminal.
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Posted 15 March 2018 - 02:27 PM

Because the Airtrain is a remarkably slow mode of transport.


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 03:15 PM

Because the Airtrain is a remarkably slow mode of transport.


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It can't be that much slower than the multi-transfer option that currently exists (though, in theory, one riding BART to the airport doesn't need to then take Airtrain, as it is possible to walk from the BART stop to any terminal, entering through the International terminal; it requires a bit of a walk, but it's doable...I do it once every month or two).


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 03:22 PM

The Best Rail Transport to/from the Airport in the US IMO are Philadelphia,Denver,Chicago O'Hare and Portland,OR. with Dallas/Ft Worth making excellent progress on getting to DFW.

I'm not up to date with the Asian and European Systems, but in Canada, Vancouver and Toronto have very good systems.
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Posted 15 March 2018 - 04:02 PM

The Honolulu rail transit station at Daniel K. Inouye International Airport I think is going to be fairly close to the terminals.


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 04:10 PM

The Best Rail Transport to/from the Airport in the US IMO are Philadelphia,Denver,Chicago O'Hare and Portland,OR. with Dallas/Ft Worth making excellent progress on getting to DFW.


In my opinion, MSP is at least as good as O'Hare for urban rail connections (there's no commuter rail to MSP, but ORD's is rather infrequent at best.) Especially once travel time to the downtown core is accounted for, MSP has perhaps one of the most convenient rail options to compete against private automobile, at least if you're going to downtown Minneapolis. Of course, some of that is simply due to the location of the airport, but it's about as fast as a taxi to downtown overall.

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 05:02 PM

I feel like it's the same distance from the Blue Line to O'Hare's Terminal 3 (my most frequently used) as compared to the distance from the Orange Line to the gates at Midway, but the trek to and from the Orange Line simply feels longer and is 10x more annoying.

 

I believe part of that is due to much of it being exposed to the elements (though, they do try to heat that section). Additionally, O'Hare has moving walkways, elevators, and escalators. Midway has an escalator going up, but you have to navigate stairs to go down. Midway also has doors that do not open automatically. The entire thing is a right pain in the rear.

 

The next time I'm in Chicago and have scads of unstructured free time, I might do a comparison walk at both airports. I measured the walk from the Metropolitan Lounge to my Seattle sleeper on the EB a few years ago, so why not? :)


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 06:36 PM

The Best Rail Transport to/from the Airport in the US IMO are Philadelphia,Denver,Chicago O'Hare and Portland,OR. with Dallas/Ft Worth making excellent progress on getting to DFW.

I'm not up to date with the Asian and European Systems, but in Canada, Vancouver and Toronto have very good systems.

I think Newark does fine too, specially with direct Amtrak connection. Milwaukee also comes to mind. JFK is in principle no different from Newark or SFO, with the Air Train taking you to the main rail/subway connection.



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Posted 15 March 2018 - 09:03 PM

If you count light rail, St. Louis Lambert Field has pretty good service.   And Boston Logan has the Blue Line a shuttle bus away, as well as the direct-into-the-subway, hybrid, dual-mode Silver Line to South Station....


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 10:51 PM

MARTA’s ATL stop is steps away from bag claim and check-in services and is served by both Red and Gold lines for a functional 6 min peak frequency. I’d put that in a list of top rail-air connections.


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 04:12 AM

If we're just listing airports that have rail connections than Miami, Baltimore, Phoenix, Cleveland, and Washington National are also on that list.
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